Natural MD Radio: The Fermentationist


My guest today is Fermentationist and founder of Guts and Glory, Summer Bock.

“I think of a healing journey as a staircase: you take one step at a time, and not every step looks the same.” – Summer Bock

Show Notes:

  • Why you should drink sauerkraut juice
  • What fermented foods Summer eats most often
  • How Summer cleared her own food allergies
  • Why you need to trust your body
  • How to cut down on Candida
  • What mistakes people make when trying to heal the gut

“I think one of the biggest mistakes is that people tend to view our gut through the same lens that western medicine views our body.” – Summer Bock

  • What is the human sewer situation
  • How to create wiggle room for your health
  • The importance of caring for yourself
  • What are your self-care non-negotiables
  • Why you need to surround yourself with good people
  • The connection between stress and histamine intolerance

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Links Mentioned:

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“Some of the most important bacteria in your gut are not found in probiotic supplements.” – Summer Bock

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Melissa Bandy

Hello Aviva! Awesome podcast today with great information. Do you have a link for the free training series offered by Summer? I tried the link mentioned in the podcast and it does not seem to be working. Thanks so much!!

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    aviva

    We heard the link wasn’t working. We’re on it! Hopefully Summer’s team will have it up and running in a jiff. So sorry – please try it again in a few days! And thank you for listening to the podcast! Aviva

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amy

help! the link fermentationist.comaviva doesn't seem to be an accessible link for the "making fermented veggies" training series. could you recheck? thanks!

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Lindsey

Just wanted to let you know that I tried going to the link you mentioned at the end of the podcast and it pulls up a page saying that it doesn't exist.

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Bev Wein

Excellent podcast with Summer Bock! Very informative. I often have wondered about the actual health benefits of the kombucha trend and questioned the health value vs the sugar, caffeine and alcohol content. Also have noted its tendency to flare Candida in instances where other wild ferments such as kraut and kimchi have not! Wonderful fuel for thought, research and duscussion! Thankyou!

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Maire

Great talk!! Super informative. I tried the link for her free fermentation class but it did not work. Can you please let me know as I'd love to make my own!! Aloha :)

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Jasmine Lucero

Getting an error message on the page http://fermentationist.com/aviva. Is this the correct link?

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    aviva

    Yes – we heard the link wasn’t working. We’re on it! Hopefully Summer’s team will have it up and running in a jiff. So sorry – please try it again in a few days! And thank you for listening to the podcast! Aviva

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Jolene Hart

Aviva and Summer, thank you so much for this completely smart, honest, and love-filled conversation. It was so powerful for me to hear you talk candidly about your own stories and healing journeys. To say that I'm inspired doesn't even begin to capture it. This was so much more than a podcast about gut health. Thank you! xx

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    aviva

    So glad!!!! Thank you for writing. :) Aviva

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Dena

A little sad to hear your thoughts on kombucha... But thanks for the podcast. The url mentioned on fermentationist.com website gives a 404 error (aka file not found). It is not up yet?

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    aviva

    Hi Dena, Certainly enjoy kombucha for fun and as a beverage... And yes – we heard the link wasn’t working. We’re on it! Hopefully Summer’s team will have it up and running in a jiff. So sorry – please try it again in a few days! And thank you for listening to the podcast! Aviva

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Tiffany

I listened to your interview with Summer and was intrigued. At the end you mentioned receiving a "gift" (recipe, I believe) via her web site. I thought you said fermentationist.com/aviva. I found her website but no luck on the gift. Can you help me?

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    aviva

    Yes - we heard the link wasn't working. We're on it! Hopefully Summer's team will have it up and running in a jiff. So sorry - please try it again in a few days! And thank you for listening to the podcast! Aviva

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      Debbie

      I'm looking for that too!

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Renee Meuse Bishara

Such a great podcast. I find it tricky to find information about candida that explains how it all works rather than the "fixes". As you explained, there is not one pill or supplement out there that will solve candida and gut health. I love hearing the theory and knowledge behind this, so I can make sense of this knowledge I terms of my own life and health - then find the solutions that work for me. Thanks again! I'll be checking out Summer's website.

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Barbara

Thank you about the informative interview. Summer talked about kombucha. What about water kefir and fermented ginger bugs? Are they also beneficial for the gut and not too sugary?

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Diane

Enjoyed the podcast--and thank you (and Summer) for the free veggie fermentation class! I already make sauerkraut and a couple of other vegetable ferments, but I know I will learn even more from this! Aviva, funny to hear about your drinking the sauerkraut juice. I lived in Germany for years, and you could buy organic sauerkraut juice in grocery stores. I loved it (and came to crave it)--my family thought I was a bit crazy! I do have a question/thought: you and Summer talked a bit about someone having a craving for peaches and basically doing a peach-only "cleanse" of sorts for a week. After hearing Susun Weed talk about her friend who died after doing a week-long watermelon cleanse, which may have been a fad at the time (and it turned out she had undiagnosed diabetes), alarm bells went off in my head. I know you advocate a very well-rounded diet, so I can't imagine that you would endorse any type of one-food cleanse or fast. Thoughts? One more thing: my understanding has been that one serving of kombucha likely has less than one teabag's worth of caffeine, a very small amount of sugar if it's been fermented long enough, and usually a minuscule amount of alcohol, so why so much worry, even for pregnant women? Women in other countries seem to do fine drinking the occasional glass of wine during their pregnancies (at least after the first trimester), which of course would be way more alcohol that the content in an occasional glass of kombucha. Just wondering...

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Golda Smith

Thank you so much for this podcast as I am a lover of fermented foods! I was a bit sad although not surprised by Summer's comments on store bought kombucha. Perhaps one day I'll learn to make my own but until then I'll enjoy it in limited use. Now, if I can only get my 13 and 11 year olds to enjoy fermented foods at least half as much as I do.

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Jacquelyn

Thank you! A wonderful talk especially on kombucha. I have been home fermenting for almost a decade now but recently moved and it is essentially starting over in this new environment with this realm. In this change, my kombucha is fermenting more quickly and it is not meeting the pallet of my household and it is sitting around waiting. But being on the road and eating very differently I find myself running to a store to buy 1-3 bottles of kombucha. I now have a pact with myself that as soon as I leave home for any period of time that I take or purchase fermented veggies to have at every meal.

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Care

Such a wonderful conversation! MANY moments of clarity and confirmation for me personally . ( most of all how probiotic supplements can sometimes make a gut healing protocol tricky at first , my functional md was confused as this happened to me healing from yersinia bac infec) My daughter giggled throughout the sauerkraut topic as a toddler she used to ask for " sauercrap please " needless to say we love it ! being Scandinavian / German ... Thank you for your insights ( stress, kombucha confusion, and being at peace....) it is blessing to have access to such intelligent, trusting, open hearted health professionals, With gratitude,

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Erin

Thanks for the great podcast! Just wondering - would you put water kefir in the same category as kombucha? Some argue that the sugar in water kefir is eaten up in the fermentation process. Is this true?

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    Summer

    Not all the sugars are eaten up in the fermentation process. So unless it is completely sour like vinegar it still contains sugar. I do put water kefir in a similar category as kombucha. I do think it supports good digestion and has many health benefits, but I just can't get over the sugar content!

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