Natural MD Radio: Women & Depression with Kelly Brogan


Did you know that one in four women of reproductive age is being treated with medication for depression?

Today’s episode of Natural MD Radio is controversial. Even more than my usual. In this week’s conversation – Women & Depression – Dr. Kelly Brogan and I explore many of the risks and questionable studies that surround the use of antidepressant medications.

Dr. Brogan, a Manhattan-based holistic women’s health psychiatrist and author of the new book A Mind of Your Own, is against prescribing antidepressants; I prefer alternatives and haven’t written an antidepressant prescription in my practice in several years, but do respect that many women find them to be beneficial and some even describe them as having saved or transformed their lives. I want everyone who listens to feel honored and supported. There isn’t one right answer, and it’s important to be comfortable with what’s best for you.

That said, this doesn’t diminish the fact that these medications are grossly over prescribed and their risks under emphasized. Also, your doctor may have told you that once on these medications, you’ll always need them. This isn’t true. So if you are choosing to use them, it’s important to have the facts and make that choice wisely.

In this episode and in her book, Kelly confronts the mythology conventional medicine has built around the causes and treatment of depression and lays out a new way at looking at the true causes of depression – with inflammation at the root.

 

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“If your listeners hear nothing from me today but this, it’s that depression is a symptom.” – Kelly Brogan

Show Notes:

  • How many women are being treated for mental health issues
  • The problems of over diagnosis and over treatment
  • The disconnect between nature and society
  • What messages we’re missing by suppressing symptoms
  • Why depression is a symptom
  • Where we get the idea that depression is a brain chemical imbalance
  • The reality of these medications
  • How the body is forced to adapt to medications

“It’s the medicine of the future: aligning your belief system with your interventions.” – Kelly Brogan

  • Why she stopped writing prescriptions
  • How she learned about tapering medications
  • Why she believes that medications always have unintended consequences
  • The value of moving through your symptoms with curiosity
  • Her fascination with the placebo effect
  • What is the cytokine theory of depression
  • How reducing inflammation through your diet can help
  • How you can address residual symptoms

Links Mentioned:

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“Inflammation is essentially the language that the body uses to express displeasure with the stimulus that it’s receiving.” – Kelly Brogan

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mk

Your radio broadcast brought tears of hope to me because my sister has suffered from depression for decades, but is a retired pharmacist. For years I have asked her to look at her diet and also that her body has the highest desire to heal, yet needs some tools. Obviously I was not the tool, but the books referenced may be, so thank you for those. Also, thank you both for being brave enough to stand your ground. People go into medicine to help others, but it takes an unusually brave doctor (or two) to shift the paradigm. I would know, because I have healed from thyroid disease, and cancer, plus I have healed myself from food allergies, which I was literally born with. I also healed two of my children who suffered with neurological development disorders (the other two were born healthy)...they are all in college and doing fine. In my favor were the numerous moms who looked outside the box...this was over 20 years ago, before google. So, I say again, thank you for your love for truth, your love for healing, and that you have been strong enough to listen to your mind as well as your body. You aid moms like me who have been or still are frantically searching for any avenue to successfully heal our children and ourselves. One comment on the placebo effect. The word placebo literally means "I shall please". I say to you, it is enough to iterate, "I am pleased with my healing body, thank you body for coming to my rescue again. I will take better care of you. Thank you."

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Allyson

Really excited for the future of this!

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Penny OLeary

Hi! I take zoloft for my PMDD. I would loathe my partner on a cyclical basis. I was always "on the edge" of anger and confrontation. When I decided I needed help I went to a psychiatrist who I trust, who has tons of experience with CNS meds. I highly recommend that if taking antidepressants & the like to see a psychiatrist.

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Trish

Love everything about what Kelly Brogan says. I do not consume animal products for ethical reasons. I am curious what dietary modifications are recommended for people in my situation.

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    Megan Liebmann

    Hi Trish, Working with a functional nutritionist who has a focus on a plant based diet would be your best bet! Warmly, Megan- Aviva Romm’s Executive Assistant and Online Nutrition Expert

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Lisa

Does Kelly's new book detail the diet described in the lecture?

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    Megan Liebmann

    Hi Lisa, YES! She speaks quite a bit of the diet in her book :) Best, Megan- Aviva Romm’s Executive Assistant and Online Nutrition Expert

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Sheri

So glad I have found Aviva Romm's podcasts and have just ordered Kelly's book! Everything you said makes sense, yet it is frustrating and terrifying trying to find help with doctors who don't "believe" in this type of treatment. I live in NC where there are three "good" teaching universities. These just pump out more of the same lot that is heavily influenced by the pharmaceutical industry. Thanks to both of you for being brave enough to go here.

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Paige

So, if Placebo is literally the effect of our belief system and this effect is potentially very powerful, what does this say about hypnosis? Does hypnosis potentially have the Placebo effect and can it potentially heal us? Very interested in what Dr. Kelly and Dr. Aviva have to say about this.

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Elizabeth Allemann, MD

This is a big paradigm shift for me. The serotonin hypothesis of depression isn't supported by the science? This is big for my family physician brain--big like fat doesn't make you fat or home birth is a reasonable option or organic food might really be a better idea, . . so many things I was taught just ain't so. Thank you. Thank you. After listening to this podcast, the VERY NEXT patient in my office was a woman who wanted off her SSRI. I was so glad I had this under my belt so I could more confidently assist her in making a plan to meet her goal. Don't get me wrong, if someone WANTS to be on a SSRI, it's a different story and I am willing to help them out, after a discussion about the facts. But so many of my patients have been skeptical about antidepressants for so long. It is always really fun to have my profession catch up with my patients now and then.

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    Robin

    WHY do doctors prescribe them if they don't know about the (lack of) science behind them??? Do they not research the drugs they prescribe? That's just unbelievable and inconscionable to me. These drugs are life changing in many ways. Multifaceted effects. I am "only" trained as a medical assistant, and I was able to research and find out this information, but I trusted my doctor to do right by me. I'm currently tapering off my SSRI (Celexa) and it's taking me a long time. My prescribed dose is 10 mg and I'm finally down to 5. I started in October. Started cutting another tiny bit off this week and I'm back to exhaustion, dizziness, irritability. I went on them for a little anxiety. EVERYONE has a little anxiety. WHY WHY WHY? I'm so disgusted and frustrated. Why could she not have given me better advice, like better diet, how important exercise is, etc.? But no, just threw a pill at me. She's a good doctor, but I'm pretty upset.

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Candice

SO GLAD you interviewed this amazing woman! Thank you.

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Julie

Oh my God, thank you for this Podcast!!

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